Moms Vent: Georgia Bill that Criminalizes Miscarriages
A local mother is fuming that Northeast Cobb resident and State Rep. Bobby Franklin has presented a bill to the legislature that would cause unexplained miscarriages to undergo criminal investigation.
As a woman and mother who has suffered a miscarriage, I am outraged to learn that Georgia State Rep. Bobby Franklin (R-Marietta) has presented the legislature with the bill HB 1: "Prenatal murder" which makes it a crime for the female human body to end a pregnancy, if an investigation team cannot determine a cause for the pregnancy termination.
In other words, if you suffer a miscarriage and can't "prove" what the cause was (which is usually the case!), then you can be prosecuted for murder.
See the pdf file attached to this article to read Franklin's complete bill.
The bill further states that any time a miscarriage occurs, whether in a hospital or without medical assistance, it must be reported and a fetal death certificate issued. If the cause of death is unknown, it must be investigated. If the woman can't tell how it happened, the police can question family members, friends, co-workers, and acquaintances how it happened. Oh, and no exceptions - not even for rape or incest victims! And not to save the life and health of the mother.
I once read that one in three pregnancies results in miscarriage. I miscarried once. I grieved for months. I blamed myself, wondering if I did something wrong to cause it. Women have enough to cope with after a miscarriage, and a police or government criminal investigation should not be part of it.
I'd like to know how other women and parents feel about a bill that would treat every woman as a potential criminal when faced with the devastating loss caused by a miscarriage.
Ann H.
You can reply to Ann H. in the Comment Box below.
Click here for Bobby Franklin's Georgia House of Representatives contact information page.
Linda Rehkopf
9:29 am on Saturday, February 26, 2011
Franklin has presented this bill to the state house every year since 2002. I'm amazed that he would even try to make miscarriage a capital offense, on the same level as murder, but I'm no longer surprised by his shenanigans. I'm even more amazed that the women of his district keep re-electing him. I'm embarrassed to live in his district, and told his aide this yesterday. And when I followed up with an email just to make sure he got my message, the auto response from his Georgia Legislature email address read, in part, that due to ineptitude on the part of the Gold Dome technical support staff, he probably would never receive my email, and encouraged me to call his office. Nothing like throwing an entire state department under the bus! The fact that the email worked well enough to send me an auto-response means that it's working just fine; he just can't be bothered to use the technology. I suggest we show him that the electronic voting machines work just "fine" when we show him the exit door.
Julia Harris
9:36 am on Saturday, February 26, 2011
This comment was submitted via e-mail by Ann K.: Thank you for exposing this worm. You can tell him from me that we don't need Sharia Law here, another Inquisition, nor witch hunt trials going on in Georgia. And we sure don't need some religious nutjob trying to tell women they should be prosecuted because of spontaneous miscarriage! Don't approve of abortion? Fine. Don't have one. But don't you dare try to put an American woman on trial for a miscarriage!
Roy 'Smitty' Smith
3:16 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
Great way to put it. Patti went thru this a long time ago and if someone had told me this I'll be in jail for taking him on.
Michelle Sollicito
9:43 am on Saturday, February 26, 2011
Julia, first can I say I am so sorry for your loss - I am sure it is something you never get over.. thank god I never had to go through something like that so I guess I can never really understand how it affects someone.
I think it is scandalous that any woman, grieving after a miscarriage, should be subjected to some kind of investigation like this.. This guy is clearly a nut job and needs to be stopped. I will help in any way I can to prevent this becoming law.
I assume his intention is really to protect babies who are unwanted really, he is not trying to persecute women who genuinely miscarry. Well if this is the case, he should encourage better sex education and availability of contraception - measures that would prevent unwanted pregnancies - instead of introducing laws like this.
Julie Paulk
10:06 am on Saturday, February 26, 2011
Words can not even begin to describe how outrageous this bill is. Crimes should be punished. Women having a miscarriage does not fall into that category. Anyone suggesting it should be considered murder should not be a leader. This is wrong on so many levels that it's hard to even comprehend how someone could try to make a law saying miscarriage is murder and then spend 9 years trying to get that law passed. Is this state representative not concerned with actual crimes? This is one of the most profoundly outrageous things I have ever heard. If men were the ones who were pregnant, they would never even utter the words that it could possibly be considered murder. This person doesn't seem to understand the human body.
There are real issues our state rep could be using his time to fight for, instead of trying to send innocent women to prison.
Kristin
10:07 am on Saturday, February 26, 2011
I myself have just recently gone through a miscarriage that was an ectopic pregnancy. My baby was growing in my ovary. Under this new bill, would I have not been given medical treatment to save my life and my reproductive organs, or is he going to come up with some medical marvel to save those ectopic babies and put them back in the uterus where they belong to be born? I have suffered enough through this experience and knowing that someone is out there they may want to make me suffer more just makes me sick.
Lisa56
10:29 am on Saturday, February 26, 2011
Obviously, State Representative Bobby Franklin has no compassion for women on any level. Knowing that he has introduced this bill before indicates his ignorance and also the ignorance of those who have reelected him.
I am so disgusted by voters who know nothing of the person for whom they are voting other than the Republican or Democrat designation beside the name of the candidate that I'm beginning to wonder if there shouldn't be a test, much like a driver's test, before a person can register to vote.
I sympathize with every woman who has ever lost a baby through miscarriage. I can't possibly imagine the pain.
If it takes a phone call or snail mail then so be it. Bobby Franklin will be hearing from me!
Val01
11:36 am on Saturday, February 26, 2011
This guy is a lunatic! How can a person with such ridiculous ideas be elected and re-elected to public office. Is the "public" not paying attention to what this crazy person is saying and doing? I wonder if this guy has a sister or daughter. If so, would he feel the same way if one of them had a medically unexplained miscarriage? Get this guy out of office whenever he's up for re-election!!!!
Julia Harris
12:13 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
@ Michelle - Thank you for your kind words.
My opinion reflects most of the women here. Natural and medical science cannot explain most miscarriages that happen to all mammals, human or animal. I don't understand how educated and intelligent men can therefore create laws that would criminalize a phenomena that natural and medical science can't even explain. It's just not logical.
Val01 has brought up a great point - he's in office. He's been elected and re-elected. We are the women voters of Cobb County and we need to take action at elections. We can't sit idle. Such bills affect not only us, but our sisters, daughters, and future generations.
Linda Rehkopf
12:42 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
I think we cannot wait to simply vote him out of office. We must find an alternative candidate who will run for that office, someone who will be able to receive funding for a campaign, and someone who will represent all of this district.
He's run unopposed for all this time. That alone needs to change.
Julia Harris
12:52 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
Great point, Linda. We need a candidate to step up! Who can we nominate?
Meanwhile, what can people do to prevent this proposed bill from becoming GA law? I've included links in the article that people can click on to get his contact information. Writing letters to our House of Representatives and legislature is one way.
Roy 'Smitty' Smith
3:11 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
This is the nuttiest bill I have can remember in a few yrs. This guy is reading a different Bible that the 1 I grew up reading. If this is the kind of religious law he is wanting for GA then we need to just use the Muslins style of law. There are nuts in this world and he right at the top of the list. Come on ladies of Cobb start a recall on this wacko.
Roy 'Smitty' Smith
3:19 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
One way to stop this is to flood the Gold Dome with phone calls and letter mail as well as email. so start Monday, I will!
Julia Harris
8:21 pm on Sunday, February 27, 2011
Thanks for your comment, Roy. It's nice to hear a man's rational and reasonable point of view on such a sensitive subject.
Lisa56
3:46 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
There is an opinion column in the Saturday, February 26 AJC by Neil Boortz (with whom I very seldom agree) in which Mr. Boortz expresses his utter disgust with State Representative Bobby Franklin's proposed bill. I knew nothing of the issue prior to receiving my Patch email this morning and I thank the reporters at Patch for informing me of it. I, too, received the email from Mr. Franklin's office decrying the inefficient technical support and advising me to phone his office. I can't wait until Monday morning! I will certainly be making that phone call and will continue to do so until I speak with Mr. Franklin personally.
Which national news outlet will be the first to report this obscenity and yet again make Georgians look like a bunch of toothless, ignorant, mutants? I'm already embarrassed and ashamed.
Norm McCarty
10:01 pm on Saturday, February 26, 2011
This is a prime example of what is wrong with our state and federal goverment today. Instead of lawmakers working on the major issues of the day they spend their time spending our money and taking away our civil liberties.
It is obvious to me that Mr. Franklin needs help and should see a psychologist.
Julia Harris
8:22 pm on Sunday, February 27, 2011
Well said!
Lisa56
11:00 am on Wednesday, March 2, 2011
I might suggest a psychiatrist and a frontal lobotomy.
Lisa56
8:38 pm on Sunday, February 27, 2011
Another article in the AJC today (Sunday, Feb. 27) in the Metro section. This guy is beyond a nutcase. I really think he could become dangerous as he approaches complete insanity. The people in his district, Northeast Cobb, aren't particularly bothered by his excentricities and admit they will vote for him again. The article is a sad example of what can happen when voters do not know the candidate for whom they are voting.
Julia Harris
9:00 pm on Sunday, February 27, 2011
Thanks for posting about the AJC article, Lisa. I'll check it out.
The problem is, in part, that there hasn't been a candidate running against him. It is surprising, really, when you consider that there are men and women in our community who would do a great job as State Representative.
Lisa56
11:19 pm on Sunday, February 27, 2011
That's one of the things I found to be interesting. He's only had two opponents since 1997. His antics in those races would certainly cause a potential candidate to think long and hard about entering the race. No Democrat need apply so I don't know that there is an answer. I'm at least glad that he seems to be the "crazy uncle" to whom no one pays attention in the legislature. I can only hope that the recent exposure will cause people to actually research candidates before they vote.
Ann A
12:59 pm on Tuesday, March 1, 2011
How do you defeat a candidate when he is the only one on the ballot?
Julia Harris
4:00 pm on Tuesday, March 1, 2011
Hi Ann,
Good question. Maybe a woman candidate will be on the next ballot. Any nominees?
Sheri
10:45 am on Wednesday, March 2, 2011
I first heard about this on another website and am outraged. As a woman who suffers from Lupus which up's my risk of miscarriage and from a very, very small uterus that would prevent me from carrying a child to full term anyway's...multiple miscarriges would have happened had I not gotten my tubes tied. I am only 28 by the way. Just to think that I would be under investigation for this....it's just heartless. I've known many women who have miscarried and it's no walk in the park. If this had been passed in 1982 ( just to give an example ) my mother would have been arrested because I was miscarried at 6 months. She had the same problem I did from what we know-I'm adopted. It's 2011...not the 1900's. Wake up and smell the coffee you little dip ****.
Sheri
10:56 am on Wednesday, March 2, 2011
I just called his office but I did not leave a message figuring that this guy would not understand a word I'm saying. I am Deaf btw-is there a TTY number I can call? A phone call would suffice better than an e-mail.
Thanks.
Sheri.
Lisa56
10:59 am on Wednesday, March 2, 2011
Sheri, I'm so sorry for your illnesses.
I would have called Franklin a little dip **** prior to this going out into the blogosphere. Now I refer to him as the GIANT DIP ****. It seems that Mother Jones has picked up the story and shared it with that readership at the least. I'm so tired of explaining to people who don't live in Georgia that not everyone here is a brain dead idiot. There's an interesting Truth-o-meter in the AJC today concerning Mr. Franklin and the many possibilities of such a piece of legislation.
Sheri
11:22 am on Wednesday, March 2, 2011
I prefer Giant dip **** :) No need to be sorry for the illness, it's one not many people know about but do need to know about. To learn more visit lupus.org. There are Ga chapters that would love donations and volunteers for their out-reach program :). I was born and raised in Ga, born at kennestone hospital actually...LOL and most from out of state view the natives as you described. I will be checking out the AJC :)
Sheri
11:04 am on Wednesday, March 2, 2011
Ok-I finally got up the guts to leave a message-and did.
Hope he get's it.
Thanks to Ann for posting this article. I've posted this to my FB urging all of my friends to call and oppose this bill he's trying to pass.
Julia Harris
12:52 pm on Wednesday, March 2, 2011
Check out this article about State Rep. Bobby Franklin and his oath of office: http://patch.com/A-f38K
We'd love to hear your comments!
rmar
11:43 am on Sunday, March 6, 2011
if this passes, there will be many women to investigate. for the last 4 years i've been processing pregnancy medicaid for the county office where i work, and in the last couple of years, the number of miscarriages has increased dramatically. certainly, the thought police will have their hands full.
lynn
5:01 pm on Sunday, March 6, 2011
A miscarriage is the saddest and most difficult thing any woman can go through.....I know, my first pregnancy was a miscarriage and to have to defend myself in court would have been overwhelming and an insult. This "man" sounds like the Spanish Inquisition re-invented in modern times. About time all the women in his district vote him out of office and send him packing.
clardh777
7:00 pm on Sunday, March 6, 2011
I am beyond sickened by this man's insane, attention-getting tactics. What other reason could there be!? I suffered, repeat SUFFERED FOUR UNTHINKABLE, UNIMAGINABLE LOSSES before insisting to my doctor that I be put on Heparin ( blood thinner) therapy and was finally blessed with my son. According to this man's way of thinking should I have accused my doctors of neglect and murder for not putting me on Heparin from day one!!!?? Bobby Franklin needs to step away from the podium in a big way.
Marie
1:13 am on Monday, March 7, 2011
I'm in Nevada, a mother of two, and I've lost two. This story is making its way around the country... I had it passed to me by a friend and am relieved that almost every response I've found from locals is similar to mine. There was a tiny fear he was rightfully representing his district!
I hope one of you fine level headed folks bites the bullet and files paperwork to be on the ballot. Even if you don't fundraise I hope I hear a story in 2012 about a no name candidate who won in a landslide victory to represent the rational people of your district. Good luck to you all... And know the country is watching with great hope.
Lisa56
1:24 am on Monday, March 7, 2011
Sadly, it is the idiots in our state legislature who will be known throughout the country. This man is not worthy of the office and those who continue to vote for him are not worthy of the privilege of voting. As a Democrat I might as well file paperwork in my cat's name for the likelihood that I could be elected. Democrats and Republicans must work together to rid the state of any legislator who shows no respect for his position or for his constituents.
To those who live outside Georgia I would like to assure you that we are not all ignorant rednecks. It is time for Bobby Franklin and his like to be removed from office!
Christine
11:26 am on Monday, March 7, 2011
You hit the nail on the head Ann. I had a miscarriage 3 months ago and I am just stating to feel "normal" again. We as women have more than ENOUGH to deal with when having a miscarriage. Having some criminalize us and enforce investigations for a "cause" is so insulting, disrespectful and intrusive. While we are grieving we would also have to deal with the pain of govt blaming us for MURDER, over a child we obviously lost in a painful, yet natural and common circumstance. Unbelieveble how people like this are who we put in charge of making laws over our lives. Makes me want to move far, far away. I wonder if he would feel the same if his wife or daughter had a miscarriage??? It's not murder asshole, I would've gladly exchanged my life if it meant my baby could have lived. I've been told by every doctor, women, family & friend that it was NOT my fault, there's nothing we could've done to prevent it and it happens to 1 in FOUR women. I don't need some douchebag like this telling me it was my fault and not I am going to be punished for it. God forgive him for the wrath he is going to feel from women everywhere.
Kate MacGregor
7:54 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Mrs. Harris, as someone who has experienced four devastating late-first-trimester miscarriages as well as two very early losses, I can empathize with you on the loss of your precious baby. But, you are completely off-base in your assessment of H.B.1 and have fallen for ludicrous neo-con and liberal propaganda.
Apparently, you failed to read this portion of the bill:
" 'Prenatal murder' means the *intentional* removal of a fetus from a woman with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus; provided, however, that if a physician makes a medically justified effort to save the lives of both the mother and the fetus and the fetus does not survive, such action shall not be prenatal murder. Such term does not include a naturally occurring expulsion of a fetus known medically as a 'spontaneous abortion' and popularly as a 'miscarriage' so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever in the causation of such event."
This bill is one of Bobby Franklin's greatest legacies and I support it 100%. I only wish he were still alive to continue fighting the pro-life fight.
lisa56
8:05 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
May he rest in peace. No matter his political beliefs.
Julia Harris
8:51 pm on Tuesday, July 26, 2011
Whether we agree or disagree on his bills, he was a passionate man dedicated to the state of Georgia and his beliefs. May he rest in peace.
Julia Harris
8:58 am on Friday, July 29, 2011
Please note - this 'Neighbor's Vent' article was written by Northeast Cobb resident Ann H. Her signature is at the bottom of the article. My name appears on the column because I created the 'Neighbor's Vent' column.