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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
3:01 pm on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
So, which Libertarian Utopia should I be looking to for evidence that the "taxes are yucky" philosophy put into official political and economic policy results in a society any decent and intelligent person would want to live in? You sure have said a lot Fred, without contributing anything worthwhile to the conversation.
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
1:01 pm on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
Thanks Fred for all your ad hominem attacks, it only gives me the satisfaction of knowing I have struck a nerve with you that you can't defend in any intelligent fashion.
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
11:55 am on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
ReplyI would say based on Fred's comment he really has no concept of the definitions of words like "stealing, treason, and thuggery". Or in Ms. Martinez's case the definition of "Tyranny." Do you really think Hitler and Stalin _persecuted_ people with extra paperwork only to turn around and approve their applications after all? Which successful, peaceful, thriving modern society should we all be looking to for inspiration where there are no public commons, services, infrastructure, and legal system supported by tax revenues, where an official "every man for himself" policy makes for a stable society (where the government doesn't "steal" from the people to support the security and functions of their collective state?) The problem with the Tea Party and most Libertarian positions, is that their basic assumptions about how the world works and the fundamentals of human nature exist outside any rational basis in reality. Most of the things they claim to stand for are already in practice in other parts of the world, and the results aren't pretty.
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
11:54 am on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
ReplyI would say based on Fred's comment he really has no concept of the definitions of words like "stealing, treason, and thuggery". Or in Ms. Martinez's case the definition of "Tyranny." Do you really think Hitler and Stalin _persecuted_ people with extra paperwork only to turn around and approve their applications after all? Which successful, peaceful, thriving modern society should we all be looking to for inspiration where there are no public commons, services, infrastructure, and legal system supported by tax revenues, where an official "every man for himself" policy makes for a stable society (where the government doesn't "steal" from the people to support the security and functions of their collective state?) The problem with the Tea Party and most Libertarian positions, is that they their basic assumptions exist outside any rational basis in reality. Most of the things they claim to stand for are already in practice in other parts of the world, and the results aren't pretty.
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
11:51 am on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
ReplyI would say based on Fred's comment he really has no concept of the definitions of words like "stealing, treason, and thuggery". Or in Ms. Martinez's case the definition of "Tyranny." Go you really think Hitler persecuted people with extra paperwork only to turn around and approve their applications after all? Which successful, peaceful, thriving modern society should we all be looking to for inspiration where there is no public commons, services, infrastructure, and legal system supported by tax revenues (where the government doesn't "steal" from the people to support the security and functions of their collective state?) The problem with the Tea Party and most Libertarian positions, is that they their basic assumptions exist outside any rational consideration of reality.
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
9:27 am on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
ReplyReading Comprehension check. It says in 2012 the commissioner was made aware of it, not that he directed it to occur.
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
9:26 am on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
ReplyReading Comprehension check. It says in 2012 the commissioner was made aware of it, not that he sanctioned it.
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
9:16 am on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
ReplyLissa: My comment was meant to be over the top Lissa and point out the hypocrisy of the Tea Party in that their concern for "Liberty" and "Justice" is pretty much reserved for themselves and they are in fact predominantly white. Discrimination against other groups is often openly celebrated by these groups.
Congrats to you, or whatever you feel it the appropriate pat on the back for managing to still self associate with the Tea Party at this late juncture in their downhill spiral. When the Tea Party is only slightly more popular than the current Congress, it would seem that bureaucratic paperwork hurdles that didn't actually result in anyone's application being refused is the least of your problems.
Did this incident actually have an effect on the election? Would we have a President Ron Paul if only more Tea Party groups could have collected tax deductible donations? Well, I really doubt it. Nor do I think they could have reversed the effects of Mitt Romney's own foot in mouth syndrome to sway the election the other way.
Outside of the Tea Party bubble most of America has a very different perspective on these things.
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On the article Does IRS’ Tea Party Targeting Admission Concern You?
An Educated Yankee
8:54 am on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
ReplyOf course you are all VERY concerned, because this time it is poor, oppressed white people who are anti-taxes and anti-government (like you) being discriminated against. Who would ever have reason to suspect those groups of stepping outside the bounds of tax laws?
I bet most of you think the "Papers Please Laws" and "Stop and Frisk" are good policing because there is evidence that colored people commit crimes. Something along that same line of reasoning was probably used by this handful of IRS agents to rationalize giving extra scrutiny to Tea Party group applications. In terms of systemic discrimination sanctioned by government and municipal entities this is not even a drop in the ocean.
More detailed reporting on the topic seems to indicate the situation originated with just a handful of low level paper pushers in one IRS office. There is no evidence that "evil, socialist Obama gave the tyrannical orders for them to do this." The fact that the IRS investigated the incident, is publishing a report on the incident, and clarifying their protocols, seems a strong indication that the IRS overall and the President do not condone this behavior.
But gee, it sure is kind of funny to see all the outrage from the White Right. Welcome to the reality millions of other Americans endure. Discrimination doesn't feel quite so good when the shoe is on the other foot, does it?
An Educated Yankee
9:01 am on Wednesday, May 15, 2013
You know, if Joel and Fred tried just a little harder I bet they could actually make a point once in awhile that someone might actually find useful or enlightening. Right now you just look like two grown men acting like school yard bullies... and you know what they say about bullies, they only pick on others because they have such poor self esteem themselves. It's sad to see adults acting like scared little children lashing out blindly in hate and fear to cope with their own inadequacy.
Frankly I feel sorry for you both.